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[Moray Kitchen Fitter]

Couldn't agree more Matt. I too find it very hard to deal with a business that hides behind nothing more than a mobile telephone number, no matter how genuine the business may be. I am also surprised at a fellow web designer who does not showcase any existing sites and who's own site is up and down like a yoyo. This is of course my own opinion formed by never having worked alongside him, but I would think long and hard about associating with any other designer or design firm on a project.

Time will tell I suppose, as always.

Regards,

Gordon

[TomB]

Hi Guys,

Can i ask what is going on with this? I collaborated with Jamie for a project and never heard back from him. I signed a confidentiality agreemement so can't say what it was but basically i was doing the site and design and hosting and he was advertising it, marketing it and spiliting the revenue with me.

Nothing ever happened.

PM if you can't post as i see things have been removed from this thread.

Thanks

T

[barryhynd]

Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.

[Power Lunch Club]

Originally Posted by barryhynd

Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.

I quite agree, much as we know all know people or have had similar experience, there is element of professionalism in dealing with it a proper manner, know matter what the circumstances.

Yes, as Matt said the "complainer" certainly didn't come off smelling of roses when this is how he chose deal with it.

Gordon

[TFGtv.com]

Originally Posted by barryhynd

Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.

I don't think there'd be much doubt about it. Definitely libellous. If you go over to the other forum you'll find that the person who was complaining about not being paid (which isn't necessarily the same one who posted here) mentions they have nothing in writing..... And presumably nothing to prove this ever happened.

Even IF these allegations are true and a warning to all is merited then the correct way to go about this is to objectively state the facts of the matter and offer a considered opinion based on those facts. But then if the 'victim' here was properly trained and qualified they'd know...

a) Enough about contracts and contract law to get by and not caught out like this...

b) Enough about the defamation act NOT to react in quite such a dangerous (to themselves) way...

I have formed an opinion of this matter myself. And was unsurprised by what I read this morning. But there are two sides to every story; and in the apparently amateurish circles these people appear to be moving in this could just as well be a 'commercial' [sic] rival trying to damage a competitor.

[TomB]

Originally Posted by barryhynd

Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.

Sorry Barry, I didn't mean anything about the delete, I just wondered what the post was and I didn't want anyone to get in trouble by publicly post what was said. I completely understand why you had deleted it.

I totally agree registering to post slander is unacceptable behaviour!

Matt - thanks for the PM filling in. I wonder what the legalities of my going ahead with the project would be without him having signed a confidentiality agreement.

I'll need to check it. I was a cracking design as well, i would hate to waste it.

Does anyone know what my stance could be on that?

T

[TFGtv.com]

Originally Posted by TomB

Sorry Barry, I didn't mean anything about the delete, I just wondered what the post was and I didn't want anyone to get in trouble by publicly post what was said. I completely understand why you had deleted it.

I totally agree registering to post slander is unacceptable behaviour!

Matt - thanks for the PM filling in. I wonder what the legalities of my going ahead with the project would be without him having signed a confidentiality agreement.

I'll need to check it. I was a cracking design as well, i would hate to waste it.

Does anyone know what my stance could be on that?

T

Well; maybe you can sell the design on?

As with any creative project there absolutely MUST be a full audit trail. And that begins with the agreement between the two parties which states exactly who does , what, who owns what, how much it'll cost etc. etc.. etc...

No honest person has anything to fear from, or shies away from putting what they've agreed down on paper and signing it. Personally, if the other party has shied away from that then I would consider all bets off...

As for the NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement); well you wouldn't be selling on the design with any of his material anyway. You have the rights to what you create. And frankly I suspect we're talking about an individual who REALLY doesn't want to be within a mile of a court of law. Obviously I'm not in a position to give legal advice but I'll happily look over the paperwork for you and give you an informed opinion.


For reference....

https://www.getafreelancer.com/users/743174.html

Gives one public reflection of track record.....

[TomB]

I tend not to sell designs as they custom the clients specifications.

I have all the correspondance, where it is clearly stated that i would design, host and maintain the site for 40% of the revenue.

to be honest i don't know why alarm bells didn't ring, when there was nothing in his website about any previous work, i suppose i just thought that everyone has to start somewhere.

The design is not his work, but the concept is his idea, but i would appreciate you looking it over matt, can i email it you when i get home tonight?

I think I have your email matt, but I can always PM you.

I think in future i will be a little more careful about who i select to work with

T

[TFGtv.com]

Originally Posted by TomB

I tend not to sell designs as they custom the clients specifications.

I have all the correspondance, where it is clearly stated that i would design, host and maintain the site for 40% of the revenue.

to be honest i don't know why alarm bells didn't ring, when there was nothing in his website about any previous work, i suppose i just thought that everyone has to start somewhere.

The design is not his work, but the concept is his idea, but i would appreciate you looking it over matt, can i email it you when i get home tonight?

I think I have your email matt, but I can always PM you.

I think in future i will be a little more careful about who i select to work with

T

that's fine Tom; Glad to be of help. My main email is matt@matt-quinn.com

You're right; everyone does have to start somewhere. And a site full of 'previous work' is easy to fudge together. It's the 'jack of all trades' thing that aye rings alarm bells for me.....

* .NET
* AJAX
* ASP
* Banner Design
* Copywriting
* Data Entry
* Excel
* Flash
* Graphic Design
* Java
* Javascript
* Joomla
* JSP
* Logo Design
* Market Research
* OsCommerce
* Perl/CGI
* PHP
* Project Management
* Script Installation
* Training
* Website Design
* Website Security
* Windows
* XML


And from his posts here.....

PR & Marketing
Advertising


The ones I've marked in red are ALL specialisms that, to my certain knowledge, if you're going to offer as services in their own right, you need to either buy in the professional skills or spend years in formal study to learn properly.... PR and Marketing, Advertising, Project management, graphic design.... ALL professional level crafts that need 4 years of study plus years of experience to get to the stage where you can consider yourself a pro...

And there are a few others in that list that probably also fall into that category but I don't have the info to comment on....

When you see a broad brush of skills like that coming from a big company you know it's going to cost you because they're keeping specialists in each discipline on staff on competitive salaries. When you see a broad brush of skills coming from one person at best they'll be strong in one or two areas. What's dangerous is that they're taking what can only be a rudimentary knowledge of other complex disciplines and claiming expertise where none exists. Dangerous because it's not only the client's money they're taking but their business reputation is potentially at risk....

In short they're a 'jack of all trades' and master of none. NOt able to operate at a high level in any specialism they scratch about desperately trying to source scraps of work doing anything for anybody.....

The only field that's worse than the building trade for this type of 'operator' is the creative industries...

[TomB]

thanks Matt I'll email you tonight.

Cheers

T