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Old 14-04-08, 15:02
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An interesting article in The Times today about smaller companies facing a cash squeeze as bigger customers hold on to their cash.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3739879.ece

It seems to indicate that late payment is becoming a trend and this has very worrying repercussions for smaller businesses.
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Old 14-04-08, 15:28
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I feel this problem with home users more than business. When I'm just doing service work only, I charge on-site, but when I'm ordering hardware/computers for them, I just send an invoice to them at the completion of the work.

Usually have to wait about 7 days, but a couple of customers are now pushing a month. Will be going round do see them soon when I'm "just passing"!
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Stuart,

You dont seriously give people computer equipment for free? What happens if they dont pay will you go in and take the stuff back? Surely with the depreciation on this type of equipment you would lose if you had to resell anything as second hand?

If I went to PC World I would expect to pay there and then. I'm not so sure I would be giving people the opportunity to take advantage.

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Hi,

Sorry Brian, I didn't make my post clear at all! I send an invoice at the start of work, and I purchase the hardware from my suppliers immediately. This usually gives them time to get the funds together to pay me when I go back with the new computer/hardware.

7 days is a bit of an exaggeration as well, normally 4 or 5, and that's from the first visit. So it's not as bad as I made out in the previous post.
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Bummer! and there was me about to order 10 top spec pc's to be delivered to some obscure warehouse in Fife with a false name. Ah well back to the drawing board!
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Hi Stuart,

Now that sounds better. I know Barry said that tongue in cheek but I dont think it would take long before someone tried it on.

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But so many people expect work to be done first, and then to pay when the work is complete. Can you ask them to pay so much down and then the remainder upon completion? Is this just as dangerous or a way to gain customers?
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I don't think payment terms are a way to gain customers to be honest, especially home users. But again, a deposit or full-payment for hardware/software is usually expected up front.

I try and balance the risk with the customer service, it usually pays off
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An interesting article in The Times today about smaller companies facing a cash squeeze as bigger customers hold on to their cash.

Companies face cash squeeze as late payment of bills grows - Times Online

It seems to indicate that late payment is becoming a trend and this has very worrying repercussions for smaller businesses.
Late payments has been a problem in the UK for many years now - it is not new

The FSB has tried many times to introduce legislation to force 'on time payments' but what does that mean ? It is recognized that a reasonable period of credit is 30 days (from the average number of days in a month) but there are lots of reasons that can be put forward for a Customer not being able to meet that allowed time

The accounting profession has adopted a principle that delaying payments for as long as you can has a positive affect on cash flow. This arose during the early '80s when interest rates were very high and the major accounting firms were telling everyone to run their businesses on as much 'free cash' as they could - in other words finance their operation by their suppliers. That principle has stuck

SMEs are generally afraid to push for their money and will have to wait until their invoices are included in the monthly 'cheque run' if ever. The larger Companies will only pay what they have to, for critical supplies and the 'squeaky wheels' and it is there that the trouble starts in the whole cash flow chain

We recommend our clients to get with the accounts people right at the beginning of a relationship with a Customer and get to understand their method of dealing with their payables. That way they can agree to payments terms that invariably will be met. This might mean extending credit for as much as 60 days but with an understanding of how the Customer's system works a more reasonable period can generally be agreed

We also recommend that our clients invoices contain a 'Please by' date instead of the meaningless '30 days nett' and where a Customer can only pay on a statement we have them head their invoices as 'Invoice & Statement'

IIn Europe there are many members whose normal terms allow for an attractive discount for early payment (within the 30 day limit) and some even have laws that provide for a supplier to apply to have a Customer's bank account frozen until they receive payment. There are not many late payers out there !!

Without a law to force people to pay their bills on time we in the UK are stuck with how the accountants see the application of money. Collecting your receivables is the major part of your cash flow planning and unless you get that right you are dead in the shark infested waters of doing business. Remember there are good Customers that you want to develop your business with and there are bad Customers that will, inevitably, put you out of business. Recognize and dump the bad ones quickly

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As Sid says, late payment was very much part of the culture back in the 80's. It wasn't untypical to wait three to six months to get paid on an invoice.

I had a business partner about 20 years ago who was basically bankrupted by late payers.

There was one in particular, a builder, based in Argyll who had given my mate a relatively huge contract. To meet the contract he had to put something like
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